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PostSubject: M9A1 vs M9. KJW vs WA.   Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:30 pm



Get one? It is good. Get the other? It is also good.

Why? Because they both have adjustable hopups, they both shoot well. Because they are not mine, they have not been taken out into the field, so I am unable to show the maximum effective range. Based on firing the TM 1911A1, however, they are easily out to 30m.

Based on price? The KJW M9 is definitely something to not be sneezed at, being nearly $60US cheaper.
The M9A1 would certainly be my choice based on looks, appearance, heft and realistic functions. The only question mark would be the longevity – I just have not a clue how it will fair if the M9A1 was used over and over and over again.

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Appearance

Well, in this instance the M9A1 from Western Arms oozes the quality. Seams, molding, markings. All very nice and pretty. Plus, I like the green look too. The rails are something of a cosmetic 'thing' to me, as I have never bothered getting something to mount to the front rail of any of my pistols.
I like the 3-dot sights on the M9A1 compared to the M9. The sights on the M9 are black with black – you really do need to add 3 dots of white to assist in your target acquisition- my preference. The back-strap is different on each one. The WA has a checkering arrangement, 220dpi (I think it is, 220 'checks' per inch ) whilst the KJW has 'grip ridges' (sorry, I am not aware of the correct term) running vertically.
Both have a lanyard attachment point, both have a “red-dot” as part of the safety system, to indicate if you can fire or not.
I like the appearance of the hex screws for holding the grips on, on the M9A1, but screws are functional.
The 'tail' of each (just below the hammer) is slightly different – possibly to indicate the different varieties as well. Another cosmetic look, I guess.
Either way, the M9A1 is massively ahead on looks and appearance. Sorta like a couple of Italian kids – one called Casanova, and the other called Luigi... and the connotations of each name. That is how the M9A1 stands vs the M9.

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Sighting
As briefly mentioned above, the sights of the M9A1 are superior to the M9. That can change though with a bit of white paint, whether you leave the sights on the M9 as a 3-dot, 2 dot (both front and rear sight dots appearing as a vertical line), or 1 dot (on the front sight). Simple, but as it stands, the M9A1 is nicer. The sights on the M9A1 are rear dot diameter of 1mm and front dot diameter 2mm – this allows the dots to be of similar visual size when being aimed.

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Take-down
Both have traditional M9 take down, but the WA is slightly different in putting the bits all back together.
You have to pull the recoil rod through the front of the slide to then remove the barrel unit. Note too, that the WA barrel system closer replicates the barrel cycling action of a real MOD.92FS.
If you were to go even further, because of my familiarity of the M9 already, I can pull that apart no problems. The Western Arms M9A1, I would have to do things a lot slower, purely because of the extra pieces, and initially, taking care of where the alignments were and are. M9 at this stage for easier to do.


Hopup
Both have adjustable hopup units. The M9 from KJW does not appear to have a TM based on, as I was hoping for. This is a major improvement on the Tokyo Marui based design, which does not have adjustable hop. You can now calibrate your setup for different weight Bbs. Excellent.
Both the M9 and M9A1 have to have the slide removed to access the hopup adjuster with a small allen key. Annoying. The KJW and M9 appear to have slightly different hop-unit styles though. Perhaps someone can identify or let me know what they are? The KJW appears to have the slightly better unit (based on the exploded diagrams).

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Proof of the adjustable hop on the KJW


Heft and feel.

Gosh. The M9A1 hands down.
It feels heavier, feels better and 'handles' better to me. The levers move in firm yet definite motions with a nice 'solidness'. The M9's feel a fraction... mushy at times. I like how you can de-cock the M9A1 correctly, using the Safety.
The trigger too, on the M9A1 feels nicer, where that mushy feeling on the M9 is a fraction annoying. The trigger pull in DA (on both KJW and WA) is certainly far firmer on each than in SA mode. This is a good thing, as you need to be aware of if you are going to fire your first shot.


Magazines, gas usage and FPS.
Well, they hold gas. WA's magazine is an absolute pain in the buttocks to fill though. For a magazine that costs a fair sum of money, why do they not have a fill valve as nice as KJWs? Another downside of WA vs the KJW, is that the M9A1 magazine body is one complete unit, compared to the body of the KJW – if you were to drop your magazine on the bb-feed lips (at the top of the M9A1 magazine) you will probably have to get an ENTIRE new magazine. Not the case with the KJW M9. Just get a new piece. The magazine capacity for Bbs are the same (25rds) yet the gas usage is very very different.

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31rds from the M9A1 and 57 from the M9! This is even allowing for the excess gas that was puffing out of the slide/magazine area on a lot of the earlier shots. However, 31rds is more than I was expecting for the M9A1. Pity it is such an annoyance to fill completely.


FPS figures (at 17deg) are:
M9 - 323 315 306 305 304 309 302 297 294 301 averaging at 305.6fps.
M9A1 - 298 298 292 289 290 287 283 286 287 280 averaging at 289fps.

Seem low don't they. But not when you account for the .25 BBs that were being used. .2s would equate to 20-30fps higher. Nice figures now, eh?


Shot consistency at 5m.
Note – I was aiming for the target, but was going for consistency. With a lot more time, and familiarity with these GBBs, I would be able to dial the hopup, as well as having a better 'muscle memory' of where to aim.

M9A1 - Best (read only grouping) was 60x40mm with all 10 rounds within that area.
M9 – Best was 45x40mm. This is another area and reason why I think the M9 has a better hop-up unit.

New testing idea
I have added a new wrinkle to my testing, and will also try to do some double-taps. This would be far better illustrated if there were two people testing (one to shoot, the other to mark the rounds and sequence). This will be better shown in the upcoming HK comparisons.
I only used the M9 for this, as, mentioned above, I really need 2 people for this. The best (and only) group was 9rds in 65x40mm, with a flyer up and right 65mm away. I put the surprising group down to the mushy trigger – you didn't fire until your sights were far closer aligned on the target. I still feel that the M9A1 trigger is better, and that I can get better results with continual usage with the guns.


End result?
I still love that M9A1, and would have it.
If I couldn't, then the M9 from KJW would be a good thing to.
Both fit my hand well, and I certainly know that the M9 is easier to pull apart to get to the gubbins of it.

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part two goes in A, B AND C, via U.... uhhh??


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KJW and WA - Notice the construction. The firing pin on the WA. The WA is nicer, crisper, edgier-looking

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How they look in a M12 holster

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Note- apols for the pics. Not the clearest shots, not my pistols so I could not go tearing down into them. Note that the layout is not as I had it... I was using thumbnails instead. Oh well.
PPS- Bugger.. I note that I used URL instead of IMG. I can fix that later can't I?

PPPS 15/12/07- the New CO2 version from KJW also feels very very good. Crisper yet still not as defined as the WA. The feel/action is certainly crisper than this model reviewed.
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PostSubject: Re: M9A1 vs M9. KJW vs WA.   Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:18 pm

Interesting. I would have thought the WA would place a bit higher, but I have never shot a KJW so who knows. Just so you know, the WA M9s come with either white dots on the sights (black body) or red dots on the INOX versions.




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PostSubject: Re: M9A1 vs M9. KJW vs WA.   Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:57 am

Ahh yeah.
It has been years (3?) since I have seen a WA 92F Perfect Version.

Place a bit higher? In terms of?
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PostSubject: Re: M9A1 vs M9. KJW vs WA.   Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:54 am

I would have thought the WA would shoot a tighter grouping than the KJW. My M9s shoot pretty well, but I also shoot them using a mix of 134A and green gas, so I don't kill the slide.

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PostSubject: Re: M9A1 vs M9. KJW vs WA.   Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:28 pm

I was shooting counted rounds, still leaving a round in the magazine to not put any wear on the slide notch.
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